1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Flying saucers and alien invasions. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Once the stuff of science fiction. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Not anymore. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 We're all going against the wind. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 The wind's a hundred and twenty knots to the west. 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Oh, thank you. 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 I do not have an explanation for what this object is. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 But in the land down under, 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 UFO sightings aren't one-off events. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 They're happening almost daily. 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 I have no idea what this thing is. 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Australia and New Zealand. 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Isolated countries floating in an ocean of blue 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,000 are attempting location for first contact. 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 I've seen some weird things in my life that have been so weird. 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Called a flying saucer, called a UFO, called a UAP. 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 One thing's for sure, it's not a plane. 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Using eyewitness accounts. 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,000 It's like a bloody flying saucer. 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 And expert commentary. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 That was physical evidence. 22 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 For the first time, the Southern Hemisphere's 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 UFO encounters are under the microscope. 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Is this seriously a UFO? 25 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Is there something going on that will change what we know 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 about our universe? 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:45,000 In this investigation, we travel to both sides of this vast continent. 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 From New South Wales, home to the iconic city of Sydney, 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 to Western Australia's capital, Perth, 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,000 one of the most isolated cities on the planet. 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 No matter where you are in this wide, brown land, 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 there are UFO encounters. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,000 But some are more than just sightings. 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,000 In our investigation, we examine close encounters of the fourth kind. 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:22,000 When aliens make physical contact. 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 This is the Hunter Valley in New South Wales. 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,000 The city of Newcastle and its surrounds. 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Famous for its coal mining history and its great wines. 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:50,000 With its miles of remote beaches, it's a surfer's paradise. 40 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 My name is Bridget Sinclair. 41 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,000 I'm 39 and I'm a mature, a junior student at the moment. 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 I live in Newcastle. 43 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 We're a pretty no-nonsense town. 44 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 The 31st of May, 2020, was the day Bridget saw UFO. 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,000 It was late afternoon, about quarter past five in the afternoon. 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,000 So just coming into sunset. 47 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 It was very cloudy. 48 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 And when I got onto my back veranda, 49 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 we had a really good view. 50 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 And as soon as I walked out the door, 51 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,000 I could see this really bright light. 52 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 It was a UFO. It was a seriously UFO. 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Look, it was moving quickly at times, very quickly. 54 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 It would go sort of behind the clouds, 55 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 but it wasn't dimming in the right ways. 56 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Like, it sort of, it would go behind a thick cloud, 57 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,000 and then it would brighten up again. 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,000 It was very bright. 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 It didn't follow sort of a logical pattern. 60 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 There was just something, yeah, just very unusual. 61 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 About it, I didn't hear any sound. 62 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Bridget lives near Williamtown Air Force Base, 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Australia's pilot training school. 64 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,000 She's used to seeing all kinds of aircraft in the sky. 65 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Yeah, we did get a lot of planes and helicopters and things fly over, 66 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 so I sort of was looking at it 67 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 and just trying to figure out, is it a chopper or what is it? 68 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 After about a minute of looking at it, 69 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 yeah, just the way it was moving, it definitely wasn't a chopper. 70 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,000 And in terms of a plane, there's just, there's no plane. 71 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 No size of a plane that could have maneuvered 72 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 the way that it was maneuvering. 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Yeah, so I sort of cancelled out those two options pretty quickly. 74 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 It wasn't going from A to B, like it was sort of floating around 75 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 and doing all these weird things, 76 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,000 and it wasn't really moving the way that a drone does move. 77 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Our investigator, Roger Stankovic, 78 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 has agreed to take a look at Bridget's footage. 79 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 So this witness captured this video evidence 80 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 near Williamtown Air Force Base, 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000 close to a military facility again, 82 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 typical of UFOs to hang around in. 83 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,000 It could be that they're interested in how we're developing our technology 84 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 in terms of aerospace. 85 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,000 So it's a fascinating case. 86 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,000 It's a light and an almost light moving in and out of the clouds. 87 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 It's obviously not anything man-made. 88 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 For a minute, then I thought someone was projecting something onto the clouds, 89 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 but it's obviously not that because it goes into the cloud now. 90 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Very unusual, as far as I'm concerned, it's an unknown. 91 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 That's a UAP. 92 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:16,000 It didn't seem huge, but I mean, it was really hard to tell how far away it was, 93 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 because of the brightness. 94 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 It literally could have been the size of the basketball, 95 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 or it could have been the size of the car. 96 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,000 It was just really hard to gauge. 97 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 It stayed within my line of sight the entire time. 98 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 I was still trying to be logical when I first saw it, 99 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 but it was sort of like the more it did, 100 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,000 the more it sort of convinced me that it was something very unique. 101 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 I went through the footage afterwards, 102 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 I've done it a few times, 103 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000 gone through and just sort of gone through frame by frame. 104 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,000 There were times that it was just a ball of light. 105 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,000 There were other times where it almost looked like a little pink triangle 106 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 and a little green triangle, 107 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 and then just a circle again, almost like the sun. 108 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,000 It was so bright, just this really illuminated thing. 109 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 And then at other times, it was so dim, 110 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,000 and it was sort of more like pinkish hues. 111 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:24,000 A lot of the time, probably the best thing I've ever caught on film, I reckon. 112 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Without sounding too crue-cue, 113 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 just sort of on a wavelength with it or something. 114 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,000 And it was almost like it wanted to be noticed. 115 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,000 It was a playful feeling, absolutely no fear whatsoever. 116 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,000 It clearly wasn't a threatening force, I suppose. 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,000 This was Bridget's first UFO encounter. 118 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,000 But since childhood, she's been curious about life existing beyond Earth. 119 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,000 When I was about eight, 120 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 I figured out how to get up onto my roof at home. 121 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,000 So I would climb up there at night and look at the stars. 122 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Wonder, you know, is there someone like me, you know, 123 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,000 a million light-years away looking up at the same time? 124 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 What do I believe I saw? 125 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,000 I believe I saw something from another planet. 126 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:33,000 MUSIC 127 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Next on Close Encounters Down Under, 128 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,000 the Western Australian couple who have endless UAP on film. 129 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 We've joked that we've got a, you know, UFO superhighway going through. 130 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 And they just keep coming. 131 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,000 We've got so many different photos with so many different ships. 132 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:02,000 MUSIC 133 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,000 MUSIC 134 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Perth, Western Australia, boasts the beautiful Swan River, 135 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 which flows through the city into the vast Indian Ocean. 136 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:23,000 It's the gateway to the riches of Australia's iron ore industry. 137 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 But our next investigation takes us to the hills behind Perth, to Darlington, 138 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,000 where we meet primary witnesses, science teacher Rob Hartland and his wife, Shelley. 139 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,000 They came here for the view, for the vast expanse of a cloudless sky. 140 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,000 What they didn't know when they moved here was that they'd be living under an alien superhighway. 141 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,000 My name is Rob Hartland. I'm a science teacher. 142 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000 I'm Shelley Hartland. I was retail manager all my life, 143 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000 but at the moment I'm semi-retired and living the good life. 144 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,000 In 2012, the couple's part-time photography hobby turned into an obsession 145 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 after unintentionally capturing strange objects in the sky. 146 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:18,000 We started taking photos of the sky, and that's where we spotted our first ship in a photo. 147 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And we've been certainly taking photos of the sky ever since, right up to this day. 148 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:33,000 So our journey really started in 2012, when I photographed some really interesting 149 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 wispy clouds in the sky. 150 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,000 And when we looked at some of these images on the computer screen afterwards, 151 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 it looked like there was this disc-shaped ship in there. 152 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 And that's what really started off this journey, 153 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,000 because from then on I started taking more and more photos of the sky, 154 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000 especially when there were interesting clouds in the sky. 155 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 And we'd been photographing ships and other objects, 156 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 especially when there were interesting clouds in the sky. 157 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 And we'd been photographing ships ever since. 158 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Rob believes these ships can instantly hide themselves. 159 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:17,000 I take photos, a whole series of them, like two frames per second, of the sky. 160 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 And they might decloak in just one image. 161 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:28,000 When you get unusual objects or ships in there, that's when it gets really exciting. 162 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,000 They love to play in the clouds, it seems, over the years as we've looked at thousands of photographs. 163 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:40,000 You get a feel for what we feel is genuine and what's a bird or an insect. 164 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,000 This is an image that I took on the 9th of February 2018, 165 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,000 one frame out of a series at two frames per second. 166 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,000 And it's a ship, it's quite colourful, it's semi-decloaked, 167 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:02,000 and it's got like multiples, like three spheres almost connected to each other. 168 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 It's fascinating, absolutely fascinating. 169 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,000 We haven't had that one appear very often, like sometimes we'll get multiple. 170 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Over the years we'll go, oh yes, we've photographed this particular craft or ship before. 171 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,000 And this one is really unique and it just feels like it's full of light. 172 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:32,000 And when you get colour and light, and it just has a really nice feel about it and unique shape to it as well. 173 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,000 It's really a pretty ship that one. 174 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,000 We've got so many different photos with so many different ships, 175 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 there are all different kinds of ships, all different kinds. 176 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:50,000 As a science teacher, Rob has a career based around factual and critical thinking. 177 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,000 So how does he assess the validity of his own evidence? 178 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 It's a mind-boggling thing, so especially when you have a science background. 179 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:04,000 And for that reason I tended to be more left-brained and analytical. 180 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:11,000 And I suppose that side of things has been brought into my photography to be able to, 181 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:17,000 I want to see what's there before a ship appears in a frame and what's after. 182 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:25,000 And I want to be able to see things moving in and moving out and things like that in the analysis of it. 183 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,000 With these craft often appearing in a single frame amongst a sequence of frames, 184 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,000 one theory suggests there is a portal above Darlington for interdimensional travel. 185 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:44,000 From my perspective I feel they can be from elsewhere, but at the same time also high-dimensional. 186 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:50,000 And also they have a means to obviously make themselves visible 187 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,000 so they can cloak or decloak when they want to. 188 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:02,000 So, you know, we feel that they are high-dimensional beings. 189 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,000 So in that sense they are extraterrestrial, but I also feel they are high-dimensional. 190 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Australian National University astrophysicist Dr. Brad Tucker says the science is still out 191 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 on aliens conducting interdimensional travel. 192 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,000 A lot of people jump to the idea, yeah, parallel universes or multiple dimensions. 193 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,000 And, you know, string theory does say there are potentially 11 dimensions. 194 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,000 M-theory says even more out there and maybe there's some weird funny things happening. 195 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,000 You know, I think that's a harder idea than just aliens exist. 196 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Like, I'm a lot more comfortable saying aliens exist than there's multiple dimensions with things bouncing in and out. 197 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,000 You know, that physics is so poorly understood. 198 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,000 It's not to say that people aren't working on it and that there isn't theories that can happen. 199 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,000 However, our UFO investigator Roger Stankovich believes that 200 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,000 E.T.'s warping time and space to conceal themselves is a plausible theory. 201 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:19,000 If you've got a vehicle that can actually warp space-time, it's just like bending lights under great gravitational forces. 202 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:28,000 During the eclipse of the sun, basically the mass of the sun could actually be seen bending the light rays from distant stars. 203 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:36,000 So if you've got a gravitational field, it can actually bend light to the extent that you can cloak an object. 204 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Not sure whether that's the mechanism that they use to cloak, but some people have suggested that it could be. 205 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Whatever the reason, Rob and Shelley are just happy they chose their house, 206 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,000 giving them front-row seats to this cavalcade of interstellar craft. 207 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,000 We really don't know why we get so many above our house. 208 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:13,000 We joke that we've got a UFO superhighway going through, whether it's because, I don't know, we're not afraid, we're open-hearted. 209 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,000 Over the last ten years, Rob and Shelley have accumulated hundreds of photos. 210 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:32,000 But in January 2022, Rob captured on video perhaps the most compelling evidence yet of an alien craft. 211 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:38,000 What are we seeing, something like this? Well, what could it be? 212 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 It's quite common for us to go outside at night and take some photos. 213 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:52,000 So we went outside, this would have been the 21st of January this year, and we went outside on our veranda. 214 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:59,000 And very quickly, I saw there was this light. It looked like something was just hovering, an object was hovering. 215 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,000 I said, well, what is this? And I actually ran inside and got binoculars because I wanted a closer look. 216 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:12,000 And I could see that it was basically a series of lights, red, green and white lights, 217 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:21,000 that were randomly flashing in different orders. It was pretty random the way that it was flashing. There's no pattern to it. 218 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:27,000 And Shelley couldn't actually see it because it was going to pass all the way over our roof towards the east. 219 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,000 So we decided to go out the front of our place and stand on the road. 220 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,000 And actually we could actually see it above the trees, looking down the road towards Glen Forest. 221 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 And then we made sure that we were videoing this. It's been really interesting enough, managed to stitch several videos together. 222 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 And do some slow motion shots of it as well. 223 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:57,000 It's pretty rare to get something happening for over 30 minutes in front of you. It's just really rare, I feel. 224 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:05,000 You know, we feel blessed just to get a little flash or a streak in the sky or something good on our photographs. 225 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 The plane has just gone behind the other one. 226 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:15,000 To be filming something with beautiful colours and there was no noise. The plane went behind it. 227 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:21,000 It really shows, you know, it wasn't moving. It was amazing in the colours and the randomness of it. 228 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 For 30 minutes it was really exciting. 229 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Too much to be a drone. 230 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000 I think you're going... 231 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 It's not normal plane behaviour. 232 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 It was certainly way bigger than a small drone. 233 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Well, what could it be? 234 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:46,000 We may have felt it was perhaps helicopter size, but of course it was completely silent. 235 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:53,000 And as Shelley mentioned, it's very interesting that there was a plane that actually went directly behind it. 236 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,000 And I got that on video as well. 237 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 So you see the flashing lights of a plane. 238 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Just white strobe, kind of a light. 239 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Directly behind this object. 240 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:11,000 The plane I felt was quite a bit further away from us, whereas this object was a lot closer to us. 241 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Moving to the right now. 242 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Rob and Shelley feel a deep, almost evangelical connection with these UFOs. 243 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 This is what tends to happen. 244 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,000 We just have to go on our veranda and they come to us. 245 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:35,000 With my photography, I believe that it's really important to have a resonance. 246 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:42,000 So in other words, it helps for me to be in a high vibrational state like in a joyful state. 247 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Yeah, open-hearted. 248 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:52,000 To be able to connect with beings that are, you know, are dimensional. 249 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000 That are also in this high vibrational state. 250 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000 That's where they exist. 251 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,000 So we're not keen to go out there if you're in a bad mood to start photographing 252 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,000 because chances are you're going to then connect and we don't want to do that. 253 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:15,000 So it's very important to have this resonance where you're connecting with high vibrational beings. 254 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 I mean, I guess to us the word alien doesn't resonate. 255 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,000 So we just call them star family, starry beings, whatever you want to call them. 256 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,000 But they just don't feel like aliens as such to us. 257 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:35,000 We just prefer to hopefully connect with the ones that give us a warm feeling from the photos. 258 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,000 And, you know, I think they're around quite a lot. 259 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Robin Shelley understand that by sharing their story, they risk mock and ridicule, 260 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,000 but are prepared to be brave. 261 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 What are we seeing sometimes? 262 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,000 I mean, it's not for the faint hearted. We didn't go into sharing this lightly 263 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,000 because it's not mainstream. 264 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,000 I'm not sure why we see them, but, you know, we're blessed. 265 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,000 We feel blessed that they fly over and sometimes you don't get anything. 266 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000 It's not as if every time Rob takes the camera out that we get. 267 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 No, not at all. 268 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 But it happens a lot. 269 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 We're not scared about this at all. 270 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,000 I don't think any of us really know why they're here or why we're managing 271 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000 to have this chance to photograph them. 272 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:33,000 But we certainly feel the warmth and we feel familiarity in a lot of what comes up in our photos. 273 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 That's part of our life to photograph them, I guess. 274 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Next, on Close Encounters Down Under, getting personal with an alien. 275 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Like, straddling me basically. Very personal. 276 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 And just cut the back of my head and pulled me towards it. 277 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000 And wait until you hear about the extraordinary evidence left behind. 278 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,000 When I got a bag, put him in a bag, it was my evidence that I could show people. 279 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:27,000 From his first profound experience as a child to a full blown physical encounter as an adult in Australia, 280 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Peter Curry's story is one you'll balk at until you hear about the evidence that backs it up. 281 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,000 This investigation starts on the other side of the world, in Lebanon, 282 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000 where Peter had his first UFO experience. 283 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 My name is Peter Curry. 284 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000 I've had experiences since my childhood. 285 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,000 My first UFO sighting was when I was about seven years old. 286 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 I didn't even know it was a UFO sighting at the time. 287 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Believe it was about 1972. 288 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 I was in Lebanon at the time. 289 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,000 I was playing in the street with a bunch of kids. 290 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,000 One of the kids called out and I said, let's go across the road. 291 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 And play on the neighbour's roof. 292 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000 The houses there don't have pitch roofs with tiles on them. 293 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,000 So they're flat roofs so you can go out there and play. 294 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:26,000 But as I stepped onto the roof, I noticed that a couple of the kids in front of me, 295 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 there was about seven or eight of us at the time. 296 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,000 And I noticed that every single one of them that got on the roof before me, 297 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 because I was the last one there, they were frozen in time. 298 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 They were like mannequins. 299 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,000 You can't stand that still and not get a reaction. 300 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 So I started to tickle them to get a reaction out of them and there was nothing. 301 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000 They were just switched off. 302 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:57,000 So as I looked up, I noticed an object about 20 metres above us. 303 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000 And this object was, 304 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 I think it was a little bit of a shock. 305 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,000 I was like, I'm going to get out of here. 306 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 And this object was air shaped. 307 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 It was on a 45 degree angle. 308 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,000 And this thing was shining, the sun was reflecting of it. 309 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 And then it had a massive black windscreen. 310 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 It was oval shaped windscreen. 311 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,000 And this thing was definitely not a helicopter. 312 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,000 It had no propeller, it had no propulsion system that I could see it. 313 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,000 But through that, I could see silhouette of two figures, very skinny, very tall, 314 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000 but I couldn't see any features, it was just a black silhouette. 315 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 They look at each other, sort of communicate and then look over towards us, 316 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 looking straight at us. 317 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:03,000 All of a sudden this thing just dropped about, I'd say, 5 to 10 metres. 318 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Peter recalls seeing the UFO so close he could almost touch it, 319 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 but the rest is blank. 320 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000 The next memory I have is we're sitting at the bottom of the steps on the ground floor. 321 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 We're sitting there and we're asking each other, how did we get here? 322 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Like we were on the roof, not one of us had any recall of walking down the stairs 323 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 and making our way down. 324 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:39,000 We hear our parents on the street calling out to us, calling out our names. 325 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Peter and his friends, like many others who report UFO encounters, had completely lost time. 326 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 They're questioning us and they're like, where have you been? 327 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000 We're like, we're playing on the roof. 328 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000 They're like, well you couldn't be on the roof because we've been looking for you 329 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 for about two hours, three hours maybe. 330 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Calling out to you, if you heard us, if you were on the roof, you obviously heard us, 331 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,000 but you ignored us, so it made them even more upset with us. 332 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 We got grounded, we couldn't play with each other for a few days. 333 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Thinking he wouldn't be believed, Peter buried the story. 334 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,000 But your past has a habit of catching up to you, 335 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,000 and as is often the case with many alien contactees, it isn't just an isolated incident. 336 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000 The aliens come back for more. 337 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000 But why are they selected? 338 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,000 What is special about these people, or is it just a coincidence? 339 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,000 Peter Curry moved 8,000 kilometers, but alien encounters followed him. 340 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:45,000 In July 1992, now in suburban Sydney, Peter was involved in a dramatic encounter. 341 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:53,000 In this investigation, the physical evidence left behind is key to believing the unbelievable. 342 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,000 I would have been lying in bed for maybe three to five minutes, no longer. 343 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Peter was wide awake and was about to get ready for work. 344 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000 My case isn't sleep paralysis. My case didn't happen at three in the morning. 345 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000 It happened at 7.15 a.m. 346 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000 I felt like something had jumped on the bed. 347 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:29,000 And as I sat up to have a look and see, I realized I wasn't under the quilt anymore. 348 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:43,000 The best way I can describe it is, as I sat up, my astral body, my soul, my spirit, whatever you want to call it, 349 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,000 sat up before me so I was separate from my physical body. 350 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 I could see this blonde female sitting on my bed. 351 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Elongated face, high cheekbones. 352 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Her eyes looked two to three times bigger than a human milky white skin. 353 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000 As my body and my soul became one again, 354 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,000 instantly she cut the back of my head with both her hands like that and just cut the back of my head 355 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 and pulled me towards her like straddling me basically. 356 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Peter wasn't keen to go into details about what transpired. 357 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000 But he did reveal the experience was of a sexual nature. 358 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:50,000 The blonde female touches her stomach, her own stomach and then points up. 359 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 I look up and the blonde female vanished. 360 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Gone, disappeared. 361 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,000 When I looked closer, I noticed there were two hairs. 362 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,000 When I got a bag, put him in a bag, sealed it and wrote a note on it. 363 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,000 It was my thing to me that was my evidence that I could show people. 364 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,000 Peter told scientists and UFO investigator Bill Chalker about the encounter 365 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,000 and most importantly about the physical evidence he had kept. 366 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,000 The epitocurator had a number of experiences but the most interesting one from a scientific point of view 367 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 was one that afforded this air sample. 368 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Evidence like this was incredibly rare. 369 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Bill Chalker jumped at the opportunity to get the hair tested. 370 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:47,000 He knew a geneticist at the CSIRO, Australia's leading government scientific research organization. 371 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,000 And Peter agreed to have the hair samples forensically analyzed. 372 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:59,000 And from that DNA work, we were able to get some pretty unusual DNA correlations. 373 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Next on Close Encounters Down Under, we hear the astonishing results Bill Chalker received from the government lab. 374 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,000 It was certainly compelling. It was an extraordinary investigation. 375 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000 And then, researchers use hypnosis to reveal alien encounters. 376 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:25,000 All three are controlling the system. So when you put these driving consoles on, you become proud of the vehicle. 377 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Primary witness Peter Curry believes he had a physical encounter with an alien at his home in Sydney. 378 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Crucially, evidence was left behind and scientifically examined. The results stunned researchers. 379 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:59,000 That hair sample is optically clear and blonde and totally unlike his partner's DNA. 380 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:10,000 We did a DNA analysis optically transparent hair sample and yet it gave some pretty strange Asian kind of 381 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:22,000 phenotypes and DNA types. And we were struck by that. Why was an optically pure blonde hair sample giving us rare Asian DNA? 382 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:31,000 The scientists involved had never seen anything like it. They concluded that the DNA was not entirely human nor animal. 383 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 Could it have been alien? 384 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:46,000 How you could get two sets of DNA sequences that are totally different in the same shaft of hair, be it the shaft and the root, 385 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:57,000 that in itself gave the impression that we're dealing with a hybrid hair sample that did not make this look as though it was a presaic human donor. 386 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:07,000 The fact that we had this hair sample giving us clear evidence that we're dealing with what seemed to be the results of an advanced cloning technique. 387 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:22,000 And that seems to be something that informs the alien abduction controversy that maybe there's some sort of hybrid program going on creating a hybrid. 388 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:30,000 The physical evidence recovered and analyzed in this case has opened a Pandora's box of possibilities for abductees. 389 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Are their aliens actually studying victims or is there a breeding program happening? Is it perhaps cloning or could it be something else entirely? 390 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000 It's happened to me when I was a child, it's happened to me now. 391 00:32:47,000 --> 00:33:00,000 I realize that now I'm actually what they call an abductee, someone who's been taken by aliens and has had some contact and not knowing why, you know, anything like that. 392 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:13,000 If I was chosen, I think I was chosen for a reason and that reason is because I am outspoken and if I believe in a cause, no one or nothing is going to stop me to talk about it. 393 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:33,000 To the debunkers, to the skeptics, non-believers, whatever, come and have a look at the hair. The DNA results are there. You explain it to me and if you can explain it to me, I'll accept it. 394 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Peter Curry will never be the same after his experience. 395 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 It's left an indelible mark on him. 396 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,000 For many like Peter, who have earth-shattering encounters, there's nowhere to go. 397 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Who's going to listen? Who will take them seriously? 398 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Luckily, there's one person who will. 399 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:22,000 I'm Mary Rodwell and I'm a counselor and hypnotherapist who helps those that believe they've had contact with non-human intelligences. 400 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Mary Rodwell is based on the east coast of Australia and has been assisting people with their contact experiences for more than 30 years. 401 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:44,000 I think I'm pretty normal, you know, in most cases. You know, I think I am and I know this sounds strange, but you know, I don't just buy into anything simply because somebody tells me. 402 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 It's got to feel right and I've got to look into it and I try and make sense of it. 403 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Mary helps people process what happened to them by hypnosis or regression. 404 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:03,000 She deals mainly with close encounters of the fourth kind, those that involve alien abduction and sometimes physical contact. 405 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Her hypnosis technique on alien abductees was pioneered by Harvard psychiatrist Dr. John Mack. 406 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:20,000 And he came in as a skeptic. He did all the psychological testing and was convinced at the end of it that this was a reality. 407 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:29,000 When you tap into the subconscious, it doesn't edit. Everything it's remembering is their saying. 408 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Whereas if you examine it with left brain, you start to say, oh, I can't say that because that's not real or that's not real or whatever. 409 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,000 So in fact, it has more integrity, not less if you're tapping into the subconscious and that's really important. 410 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,000 UFO investigator Asperle and Arder is also a proponent of John Mack's research. 411 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:59,000 If you can't believe a Harvard professor in psychiatry saying to you that this is a real, you know, blood and guts thing that's happening to people, then who are you going to believe? 412 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Mary has released for our investigations a recording of one of her hypnosis sessions with a man who is being haunted by memories and dreams of an alien abduction. 413 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:24,000 He was very articulate. He's an intelligent man. He had done all the questioning. He'd done his own research and what have you. And he knew how it sounded. 414 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:36,000 Here Mary's patient is under hypnosis. The hypnotic state is described as having a calming and relaxing effect on patients. 415 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:44,000 So they take me into this room. These walls are very fascinating. Every time they want to go through it, they just go, and open up and then close up again. It's like, what do we call it? 416 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Mary's patient begins to describe an alien craft. 417 00:36:52,000 --> 00:37:03,000 The very nature of the fabric of these craft, they're all varieties of craft and some of them are actually grown. They're like a cultured organism. 418 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:15,000 And by that, what I mean is that instead of having a war and you actually have, you know, it's just like we have meridians and nerves and noughties and veins and muscles. 419 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:26,000 It's not just craft. They're literally growing. So when you put these driving console on, what actually happens is you become part of the vehicle. 420 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,000 They have very interesting vehicle. 421 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:39,000 So it's a kind of living organism. Even though it's a material extraction, they actually essence of it. 422 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Optic fibers that are ingrained into the material are actually living. 423 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,000 Living is actually plug into and thought comes out of squatting. 424 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:04,000 He is then able to go on and explain the extraordinary mechanics of the craft and how it moved through space and time. 425 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:22,000 I've explained to me about this polarity using it as an example. Magnetic polarities and how these things bounce along magnetic lines and that's why they skip rock skipping stands. 426 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:32,000 On the craft, there are several different varieties. One is the one that I'm looking at is the three pole axis and what happens is the frequency, the electromagnetic field frequency that spins between these poles creates a higher vibrational frequency. 427 00:38:52,000 --> 00:39:01,000 So therefore in a molecular condition, everything breaks down to second time or quantum particles. So therefore movement through time and space. 428 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:09,000 That's why things do materialize and when materialize, when people say it will disappear and disappear and disappear and disappear and disappear. 429 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:19,000 When you're watching it in the sky, you see it live and then it dims and lights up again and this is what's happening. It's the vibrational frequency that's matching the earth frequency. 430 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Something that then becomes visual. 431 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:41,000 I found myself on a treatment table but it wasn't a bomb or it was more material. There were these little zippers there that was full of them. That's what I helped when I got out. 432 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 And I could see that I meant by how much. 433 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:54,000 The patient could not only recall the ship and its occupants in meticulous detail. He also recalls waking with unexplained injuries and scarring. 434 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Waking up with marks on his body, shaved areas and whatever on his legs. He said, you know, when I wake up and I find this on my body, I know it's real. 435 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Do you think in your imagination you'd have come up with that story? And they'll go, not in a million years. 436 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Well, that sort of tells you that it's not your imagination, isn't it? But the truth is imagination is different because you are creating something as you go along. 437 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000 When I'm in taking somebody in hypnosis, I'm saying, what are you seeing? 438 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:38,000 UFO investigator Jamie Leonardo is a former counselor. He knows the impact these events can have on witnesses. 439 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:53,000 Even though these scenarios are so exotic and beyond our level of understanding, the better it's going to be for these people to realize that what they're dealing with is not part of their own mental psychology, but is a real-time event. 440 00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:05,000 How do they integrate such a profound experience into their everyday life? And that's really one of the major reasons that motivates me, because these people are so isolated. 441 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:14,000 More and more witnesses are coming forward, and they will always need someone or somewhere to have their voices heard. 442 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:27,000 I have seen enough evidence to believe that people are becoming extremely traumatized by these experiences, that they're generational, and that seems to be a profound reality to them. 443 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:35,000 But for their acceptance into the mainstream mind think, it's way too complicated and fraught with so many issues. 444 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:55,000 What disturbs me about modern psychology is still this lack of acceptance of the non-physical realm, that you're alright as long as you can physically see it, but heaven forbid you listen to your intuition or your knowing or your feeling or your sensing, because that's not real, is it? 445 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Close encounters of the fourth kind are hard to wrap your head around. Someone being taken up onto an alien vessel, probed and experimented on. It sounds far-fetched. But how then do all of Mary's clients repeatedly describe the same thing? 446 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:22,000 Mary encourages everyone to keep an open mind. You never know when it might happen to you. 447 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:41,000 I'm really going to shake the bottle here a little bit by saying, we just don't know yet what is reality, ultimately. We don't know. And you don't know what you don't know, guys. So you can't say it's impossible, can you? Because you don't know what's impossible. So get over it. 448 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 449 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 450 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 451 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 452 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 453 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 454 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 455 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two. 456 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,000 I'm going to take a look at the other two.